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24 weeks! [Dec. 17th, 2003|03:45 pm]
Ould, first name not set - YET
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Right, I'm 24 weeks old. Here's all the facts about me courtesy of this great place. I'm a bit big, now - almost 1kg and it's getting a bit cramped in here. For a while it was like one of the spaceship things, I was floating around and it was great. But now I've grown and so it's a squeeze. Never mind - if I want some space I just push and kick.

In fact, if I push and kick hard enough mum and dad come and say hello. Bonus.

Technically, if I were born now I'd have a good chance of survival what with modern medical techniques. In fact my Dad, davidould, was chatting to someone this morning who had a baby who was my age when they suddenly decided it was time to pop out. And the kid's still going strong.

Which makes it unbelievably hard for me to understand why people like this or this are offering mother's the chance to kill tykes like me because we're inconvenient to them.

I don't blame the mothers, mind. They're usually in a bit of an emotional state or they've been duped into thinking that I'm going to "get in the way". I blame the clinics and the doctors and some of those feminist activists who encourage this sort of thing and then don't want to pick up the pieces afterwards when women get all sorts of psychological conditions as a result.

And that's why this woman is my personal heroine at the moment. She had a defect but her parents carried her to term. The child that was aborted was even older than me.

Perhaps I've gone overboard a bit. But I think I have a point. As an unborn child I'm against abortion.
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-21 04:09 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

yes. I'd rather be born. Given the choice I'd rather live than die. Surely you want the same for yourself?

btw, if you actually read the post carefully you'll take back your comments about me badmouthing those that chose abortions. I wouldn't dream of doing so. I save my anger for those that convince them to do it adn don't hang around to deal with the psychological damage afterwards.
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-21 11:43 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

I do exist. I'm 25 weeks old and the regular kicking of my mother in response to external stimuli confirms that to her and my dad.

I've got a journal because my dad thought it would be fun.

And, I will "bad-mouth" those that make it so much harder for those like me to live, let alone live our lives.
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-23 11:23 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

well, I've got news for you. I'm very real. I respond to the voice of my father, I suck my thumb, I have hiccups, and my mum and dad are very much in love with me already.

What I'm wondering is why you're so adamant I'm not worth anything?
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-23 11:36 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

that's funny. Because my kid responds to the sound of my voice, kicks, sucks it's thumb.

It's very real. so what I want to know is why you're so adamant it's not really a child when all the evidence every day is that it is?

Why are you so adamant on this that you're prepared to troll on someone else's journal?
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-23 11:46 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

why is it sick? I'm a dad, I'm very excited about it all. What's sick about it?
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-24 12:01 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

who claimed to know everything about it?

And you've still not explained why it's "sick". I'd love to hear a reasoned explanation. Something a bit more developed than "it's a fetus". At the moment your opposition is both unreasoned and offensive.
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From: theatrediva
2003-12-24 01:06 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

i personally think its a very cute idea. congratulations to the new parents!

and notice that little word "personally"? thats because its my opinion. and we are all entitled to our own personal opinions. the opinion of this father was that it would be a neat idea to have a journal for his unborn son. you can disagree with that if you want, you have that right....

however, that doesnt mean that you are any more right or wrong than he is. it just means you have a different opinion.

and honestly, if you think its so sick and disgusting, just dont read it. you obviously arent going to change his mind about it by arguing, right?

but you know, thats just my opinion. you can disagree if you want, but that doesnt make me wrong and you right. it just means we disagree.
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From: theatrediva
2003-12-24 04:47 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

then perhaps you should get off OUR backs for having an opinion as well, which you obviously take offense to just because it is different than yours.

thats all i was trying to say.
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From: bridalsuite
2003-12-24 03:49 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

You should remember that this journal is a work of fiction. The fact that it loosely corresponds to real life is beside the point because all fiction does. This is not about pro-choice as regards abortion it is pro-choice as regards fiction and if you follow your line of reasoning then you end up all the way at book burning/banning.
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From: ex_rosabel_b372
2003-12-24 08:55 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

Congratulations to your entire little family! How exciting!

And maybe you should do what people in some far east countries, and celebrate your child's first birthday 3 months after he/she is born. :-)

My cousins were born in the U.S., but their mother is originally from Korea, and as far as she's concerned, they are both 9 months older than their birth certificates and driver's licenses suggest.
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[User Picture]From: cariadwyn
2003-12-24 08:27 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

Ok a fetus is not a person because they don't count it on a census??..

could you be a bit more stupid?

They don't count undocumented immigrants either.. So there for they are not people so who cares if a bunch of illegal Mexicans die

Were you home when they counted the census? If not you may have not been counted so therefore you do not exist.

Its small minded people like you that make me think we should have retroactive abortions.. Why not volunteer for that you don't exist as a person since you are a collection of words on a screen I can’t see you I don’t know you are real
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[User Picture]From: cariadwyn
2003-12-24 03:57 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

thank you for confirming that you just don't get it
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[User Picture]From: bassnote
2003-12-24 12:33 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

are you going to feed and clothe it? Will you watch it while I'm at school or work trying to make enough money to support it?

Pro-choice - if you are not ready then choose not to engage in acts where a baby could be made. Rather than to make one and then kill it. Even if you do not recognize the humanity of the child, you are still taking a group of living cells and removing them from a nurturing atmosphere and creating a situation where continued life is not possible. Outside the womb that is murder.

Your next argument is going to either be about rape or the life of the mother.


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From: martikate
2003-12-24 05:31 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

One time I read a big long thing that a girl posted about abortion, and she said that some of the greatest people she knew were products of rape. So I keep that in mind.
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[User Picture]From: bassnote
2003-12-24 07:56 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

That is an intresting thought. Thank you for sharing. Abortion is a tough issue. Insest, rape, all kinds of things that make it seem like the only ligit choice. But no matter how you wrap it, a murder is still a murder.

Which would bring up the whole capital punishment issue. The Bible tells us to yeild to the sword of gov't.

Wish life were easier.
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From: martikate
2003-12-24 08:02 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

It's funny, because the girl who wrote this thing was actually very pro-abortion. She was just countering the idea that abortion should be allowed in "exceptional" cases like incest and rape, because she thought it was ridiculous. She was getting at the idea that if life is precious for some, it should be for all.
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From: iamdigitalis
2003-12-24 06:26 am (UTC)
I personally think that YOU are ridiculous. Here we have a soon to be dad that's so excited about his child. You don't know him. All you know is that you have a different opinion. Why bother trying even posting on his journal? to bring him down? to make yourself feel like you look smarter? Trolling is a useless waste of time. Maybe you should take up another hobby.
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From: windmillninja
2003-12-24 06:45 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

Will you watch it while I'm at school or work trying to make enough money to support it?

yes, and if not my family, others, because you weren't responsible enough to keep your legs together for five minutes when you obviously weren't ready to have a child.

i personally don't understand all the "pro-choice" people. how can you sit there and scream your heads off every day about "women's rights", the turn around and deny some of them the most fundamental right of all: the right to live?
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[User Picture]From: 9chambers
2003-12-24 11:03 am (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

boobies!
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[User Picture]From: taftman
2003-12-24 03:34 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

anime is wierd
- bob
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[User Picture]From: taftman
2003-12-24 03:39 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

Your argument is flawed.

You are connecting issues of life with issues of death.

Do you support euthinasia also? Do you think we should eliminate people over the age of 60, cause they may grow old and get sick? Should we just take a kid out and shoot it if it gets bad grades?

Sounds crazy, but this issue you take so seriously, with as little info you seem to have has gone too far, and even farther in Europe. In one country in particular, the abortion issue, using your argument, won. Then came terminal ill, then came babies with down syndrome or other developmental disabilities, then came the clinically depressed.

Basically suicide became legal to almost everyone, simply because a few people didnt look at the WHOLE big picture and future ramifications, they saw only the here and now and their own selfish ambitions.

Where is the line drawn my friend? How far can this go, how far would you be willing to support it? I guarantee that people will take it even farther then that, then you will sing a different song.

- bob
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[User Picture]From: taftman
2003-12-24 04:20 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

You didnt prove any points.

You dont have the right yo shoot yourself in the head, its illegal.

By saying 'no' to any of these responses you illustrate that you dont have a firm opinion based on a moral, basically everything appears relative to you.

- bob
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2003-12-24 05:15 pm (UTC)

Re: It's all about Pro-Choice

fact: every abortion makes life impossible for one person and very often for two.

I have a suggestion, why don't you go try and sit in on some post-abortion counselling and see what you make of it? Up-to-now I'm just hoping that your position is fuelled by ignorance, that would be some relief to me.
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From: martikate
2003-12-24 05:22 am (UTC)

Abortion survivors are very interesting to me

One time I was walking on campus, and I saw some posters for Feminists for Life or something like that. There was a picture of a young woman (who was an abortion survivor) on the poster, and underneath there was a quote from her. She said that of course she would choose life if she could have back before she was born. And she didn't understand how anyone could choose death for her. She said of course she wouldn't want to be dead somewhere. And so I was intrigued.

I think that the people who should have the biggest voice in this struggle over abortion are the abortion survivors themselves. If only people would be honest and come forth at a convention or something like that and speak about this. The only problem is that you'd have pro-lifers and pro-choicers alike pretending to be abortion survivors so they could get their point across. Too bad people can't be honest. But I'd like to hear from people whose mothers even thought about having the abortion and then changed their minds: mothers who even went to the clinic and walked out, baby in womb. I wonder, with so many people saying, "I wish I were dead," would there be many survivors saying, "I wish my mother had had that abortion after all"? There would need to be a consensus of sorts, I suppose. All I ever hear about are isolated cases of abortion survivors. But it would be very interesting indeed.
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[User Picture]From: bassnote
2003-12-24 08:14 am (UTC)

Re: Abortion survivors are very interesting to me

I personally know two people who have had abortions, I know of the struggle, guilt, grief, pain, suffering and sorrow that they still go through today, years after the fact. These women are not activists of either side. But both say that if they had it to do over again they would have chosen differently.

Have you ever read the book "Tilly" by Frank Peretti?
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From: martikate
2003-12-24 08:18 am (UTC)

Re: Abortion survivors are very interesting to me

No, when I write abortion survivor I mean the fetuses that survived, not the pregnant women. You know, fetuses who escape and fetuses who survive the saline pills, even though they are strongly handicapped as a result. But yeah, I've even read on communities here on LJ that women who've had abortions would make a different choice if they could do it now. I heard about one woman who even celebrates what would have been the birthday.

No, I've never read "Tilly."
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[User Picture]From: bassnote
2003-12-26 10:04 am (UTC)

Re: Abortion survivors are very interesting to me

I understand what you meant by survivor, though I had never heard any survivors.

I recommend "Tilly" if you can find it.
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[User Picture]From: taftman
2003-12-24 03:42 pm (UTC)

you are blessed

I support this journal.

Bless you for honoring your child in such a way.

My wife and I will very likely do one of these as soon as she is pregnant.

God bless
- bob
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[User Picture]From: life_in_7
2003-12-25 12:19 am (UTC)
i also support this journal. People are ridiculous. Anyone who doesn't like this, should be banned. Its that persons choice to read it. Why do they have to comment, and make problems. Why can't they just move on to something they like then harrass a happy family who just wants to express their joy this way. I just had a baby, and shared alot, but not this. I wished I had thought about it. Its awesome! Please dont let these people bother you, just move on and keep it up! I appreciate things like this. God is good, and may he bless you and his family. If you need any advice, help or want to know anything this stuff is still fresh in my mind, and it was the most amazing experience of my life!
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[User Picture]From: eva_marie
2003-12-28 11:32 pm (UTC)

Trollers are the pits.

I think this journal is a wonderful idea and a great way for you to put onto "paper" your thoughts and discoveries along the way - waiting for your new baby. It is unfortunate that so many people out there go onto other peoples journals and then go out of their way to make YOUR journal THEIR soap box. But don't let it discourage you. Continute to delete the inappropriate ones, and try and let the frustration with the negative comments go. The miracle of life is nothing less than a blessed miracle. From conception forward, we are made in God's image and precious in his sight. Enjoy every minute of the journey.
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-01-20 08:00 pm (UTC)

Re: Trollers are the pits.

It's not a 'miracle' two cells join together.

It's science.
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[User Picture]From: ouldjr
2004-01-20 11:47 pm (UTC)

Re: Trollers are the pits.

aaah, another person full of the joy of life.
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From: faih
2004-02-14 08:22 am (UTC)
Word! Science rules, including the science that can oust unwanted parasites from women's bodies.

Poor unborn tyke, already your parents are trying to brainwash you by putting words in your mouth.. In fifteen years, you'll look back on this journal and puke =(
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